SoFi Technologies (NASDAQ: SOFI) CEO Anthony Noto: “SoFi Positioned to Be ‘Winner Takes Most’ as Financial Services Shift to Digital.”


SoFi Technologies (NASDAQ: SOFI)  Q4 2022 Earnings Call Highlights

CEO Anthony Noto

2022 was a remarkable year for SoFi. We accomplished more than any of us could have hoped for. Our resilient team drove great execution of our strategy that has proven to provide the benefits of business diversification and durability to deliver exceptional growth and improving profitability.

Our adjusted net revenue grew 52% in 2022 to over 1.5 billion, and we delivered nearly five times the adjusted EBIDA we did in 2021. We obtained a national bank license, which could not have come at a better time. Allowing us to be incredibly flexible in a rapidly changing environment. We’re offering a compelling SoFi money product that is driving high quality direct deposit customers spending and deposit balances.

The deposits bolster and diversify our surges of funding, enabling us to offer our best rates on loans while generating impressive returns and improving net interest income revenue. In fact, 2022 marks the first time our lending net interest income revenue of 530 million by itself exceeded our total directly trivial lending costs of 443 million.

We grew deposit seven times to 7.3 billion from 1 billion over the course of the year. Really powering that. We grew our member base by 1.8 million to 5.2 million members nearly nine times our size. In 2018, we acquired TEUs, adding a critical capability. As we built our end-to-end technology stack and bringing us one step closer to being the A W S F FinTech, we navigated unparalleled market volatility, macro headwinds, high inflation, and increasing interest rates, and two unexpected extensions of the steel loan moratorium by reacting nimbly and leveraging the diversification over our business to hit record revenue in each quarter of the year.

The fourth quarter was an incredible end to an exceptional year. We delivered another quarter of record adjusted net revenue in adjusted EBIDA and strong overall operating results. A few key achievements from the quarter include, Our seventh consecutive quarter of record adjusted net revenue of 443 million, up 58% year year, which accelerated from 51% year year growth in the third quarter and reflects record revenue in all three business segments.

Record adjusted EBITDA of 70 million was up 58%, quarter of a quarter. That is nearly equal to the total adjusted EBITDA in the first three quarters of the year. Combined in q4, we achieved a couple of important financial inflection points. Adjusted EBITDA of 70 million is now largely equal to share base compensation expense of 71 million, a critical step toward gap net income profitability.

Additionally, net interest income revenue or NIM revenue of 183 million exceeded lending non-interest net revenue of a 144 million for the first time. And importantly, our NIM revenue is meaningfully greater than our directly attributable lending expense of 106 million. In q4, we had an incremental gap net income margin of 42%, resulting in a loss of just $40 million, roughly half of the third quarter 2022 loss said another way of the hundred 71 million of incremental gap revenue year by year, 71 million or 42% dropped to the gap net income line.

Given these accomplishments in our 2023 plan, we expect to achieve quarterly positive gap net income in Q4 2023. Our strategy is to continue to play out with SoFi money, which allowed us to surpass 7.3 billion in deposits of 46% quarter quarter. And savings of 190 basis points on cost of funds versus using other sources of debt to fund loans another quarter of positive gap net income for the SoFi Bank at over 30 million and add an 11% margin.

Finally, we grew our tangible book value for the overall company for the second consecutive quarter. Q4 also saw our second highest quarter ever of member ads and our third highest quarter of product ads with strong momentum continuing into q1. The 487,000 new members in Q4 2022 brings total members to 5.2 million, up 51% year over year.

We also added nearly 700,000 new products in Q4 ending with nearly 7.9 million total products, up 53% year over year of these new. Financial services products grew by 60% year over year to 6.6 million. While lending products were up 24% to over 1.3 million, the strength of our results, once again underscores how our full suite of differentiated products and services provides a uniquely diversified business that has been not only able to endure, but to thrive through market cycles.

Now I’d like to touch on segment level results with a particular focus on the benefits of our diversified business drivers, as well as the structural advantage of our bank charter. In lending, we generate a record of 315 million of adjustment revenue up 51% versus the prior year period. Our personal loan performance more than offset the continued lack of demand in student loan financing and the less robust performance of home loans.

Student loan refi continues to be negatively impacted as federal borrowers, again, await clarity on the end of the moratorium of federal student loan payments, home loans faces macro headwinds from high rates. While we continue the process of transitioning to new fulfillment partners, the personal loans business maintained its strength in q4.

We originate nearly 2.5 billion of 50% from 1.6 billion in Q4 2021. This product continues to deliver even as we’ve raised our coupons to our borrowers as a result of rate increases and maintained our stringent underwriting criteria. While these origination levels themselves are impressive, the strength of our balance sheet and diversification of our funding sources provide new options to fund lending growth while driving efficiency with cost savings.

These advantages are a direct result with SoFi Bank. Having more flexibility with our balance sheet allows us to capture more NIM and optimize returns a critical advantage in light of the macro uncertainty. Additionally, by using our deposits as a funding source, we benefit from a lower cost of funding for loans in q4.

The difference in our deposit cost of funds and warehouse cost of funds was approximately 190 basis points. Where is 125 basis points in Q3 and just a hundred basis points in q2, a powerful benefit in a rising rate environment. Lastly, the bank contributes to strong growth in SoFi money members, high quality deposits, and improved levels of spending and engagement.

This has led to higher average balances, even as average spend has increased. Of the 7.3 billion in deposit that quarter end, 88% were from direct deposit members. Roughly 50% of newly funded SoFi money accounts are setting up direct deposit by day 30 versus 20% in Q4 21. And this has had a significant positive impact on spending.

Q4 annualized spend was 3.4 times 2021. Total spend and Q4 spend per average funded account was up 25%. Quarter over quarter. SoFi money members have increased nearly 53% year over year to 2.2 million in total. Given the quality of these members with 745 million FICO score, we see ample opportunity for cross buy.

This is a great segue into financial services more broadly, where net revenue nearly tripled year view to 64 million and grew 32% from 49 million sequentially in q3. Moreover, financial services, annualized revenue is now approximately 260 million. Contribution loss of 44 million, improved 9 million versus the third quarter.

Even as we invested 13 million more in marketing in the fourth quarter, we saw this as a worthwhile opportunity to attract more direct deposit members. Even with this spend variable profit, including all marketing costs, improved quarter over quarter and was nearly breakeven, we still anticipate the financial services segment will be contribution profit positive in 2023 as we continue to scale and monetize the business.

We finished Q4 6.6 million financial services products up 60% year over year, and 4.9 times total lending products of 1.3 million. The increased scale of financial services helps drive cross buy and marketing efficiencies over time. The scale of financial services not only drives cross buy and marketing efficiencies, it also is proven to be a large revenue contributor as we continue to drive monetization of these businesses.

In fact, annualized revenue per product is up nearly two x from $21 in Q4 of last year to $40 in this quarter. This is due to the increasing attractiveness of these products, growing brand awareness and network effects. As we’ve committed, we continue to iterate and invest aggressively in our product suite, and that investment continues to pay dividends as members embrace our launches.

Since our last earnings call, we introduced an increase in our checking in savings, a p I of up to 3.75%. As of January 4th, we launched SoFi plus a premium member service that bundles together our wide variety of member benefits and provides incremental value and rewards. SoFi Plus is unlocked through enrolling in direct deposit.

We will continue to add more value and benefits to this premium member service, to not only highlight the breadth of our products and services, but to also increase the total value of having your direct deposit. With SoFi, we expanded insurance coverage for our members to include cyber insurance. Our invest team launched options trading, making good on our promise to our members to deliver this much anticipated service.

And we introduced a new way to spend with SoFi with paying for their first product built on the combined Galileo and Texas’ platform. This leads me to our technology platform segment, which remains a critical element of SoFi strategy. In the fourth quarter, full segment of revenue of 86 million through 61% year over year with a 20% margin at the segment level, or 24% if you exclude tesis.

The SoFi technology platform strategy includes growth and new verticals. New products and new geographies. In q4, Galileo signed 11 new clients and made big strides in the strategy with 36% of new deals in B2B and 27% of new deals outside the United States. Importantly, of these 11 new deals, nine have existing customer bases reflecting the continued demand for innovative services from more mature organizations.

TEUs is also delivering strong growth in number of new clients, signing an additional 16 new clients in q4, including its first digital deal in Mexico. I’ll finish here by saying that we’ve been in an all out sprint over the last five years to build out our digital product suite to meet our members’ needs for every major financial decision in their lives.

In all the days in between, the benefits of our strategy resulting a uniquely diversified business combined with a national bank license. Not only positioned SoFi to be the winner that takes most in the secular transition of the financial services to digital, but also to provide greater durability through a market cycle.

I’m excited about where we are today and even more excited about where we can go from here. With that, let me turn over to Chris for a review of the financials for the quarter. Thanks, Anthony, and good morning everyone. We finished off a remarkable year while navigating a rapidly evolving macro backdrop.

Even as our previously largest and most profitable business operated at 25% of Q4 2019 pre covid volumes. This proves once again that our diversified and differentiated business model drives SoFi’s durability and long-term growth potential. I’m gonna walk you through some key financial highlights and then share some color on our outlook.

Unless otherwise stated, I’ll be referring to adjusted results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2022 versus fourth quarter in full year of 2021. Our gap consolidated income statement and all reconciliations can be found in today’s earnings release and the subsequent 10 K filing, which will be made available in the coming weeks for the quarter top line growth accelerated, and we delivered record adjusted net revenue of 443 million, up 58% year over year, and 6% sequentially from the third quarter’s record of 419 million and above.

The high end of the guidance provided during our last earnings column adjusted EBITDA was 70 million at a 16% margin. Also, above the high end of our most recent guidance, we saw 14 points of year over year and five points of sequential margin improvement, demonstrating the strong operating leverage of the business as it scales.

Year over year margin improvement has been driven by significant operating leverage across our sales and marketing, GNA and ops functional expense lines. Overall, this resulted in a 40% incremental adjusted EBITDA margin year over year. Our gap net losses were 40 million this quarter, a 71 million improvement year over year, and 34 million improvement sequentially.

Incremental gap netting income margin was 42% year over year. A notable step in our path to gap profitability. In addition to our adjusted EBITDA margin expansion, we saw meaningful leverage against stock-based compensation as a percentage of revenue at 16% in Q4 2022, down from 27.5% in the same prior year period.

Putting us well on our path to longer term goal of singles digits. Stock-based compensation margins as previously communicated for the full year, we delivered 1.54 billion of adjusted net revenue up 53% year over year from 1.01 billion in 2021. As a reminder, we revised our annual guidance in April of 2022 following the extension of the moratorium on federal student loan payments.

Our updated guidance for the year included 1.47 billion in adjusted net revenue and a hundred million in adjusted ebitda. This guidance contemplated an ultimate extension in the moratorium until year end, which implied a Q4 ramp in student loan refinancing activity ahead of the anticipated resumption of federal payments.

From an adjusted EBITDA perspective, we delivered 143 million in profit, nearly five times that of 2021 and 63 million above the guidance we presented following the moratorium extension I just discussed. 2022 delivered a 9% adjusted EBITDA margin, 630 basis points of improvement from 2021. Even with the recent subsequent extension of the moratorium through June of 2023, which impeded the expected Q4 2022 ramp and student loan refi demand, we still exceeded that revenue guidance by 80 million in adjusted EBITDA by 43 million.

We achieve these results by implementing new strategies and through nimble asset allocation, which speaks to our ability to leverage the diversity of our revenue streams. Now onto the segment level performance where we saw a strong growth across all three segments In lending fourth quarter adjusted net revenue grew 51% year over year to 315 million.

Results were driven by 138% year over year growth in our net interest income. While non-interest income was relatively flat, growth in net interest income was driven by 109% year over year increase in average interest earning assets and a 317 basis point year over year increase in average yield slightly offset by 162 basis point increase in the cost of interest bearing liabilities.

This resulted in average net interest margin of 5.9399999999999995% for the quarter up 141 basis points year over year. Non-interest income was relatively flat year over year as increased personal loan originations at higher weighted average. Coupons were largely offset by lower student loan and home loan originations.

Personal loan originations grew 50% year over year to two and a half billion dollars while student loan originations were down 73% and home loan originations were down 84% year over year. As a result of macro headwinds and a continued transition of home loan fulfillment partners, overall, we achieved strong top line growth while maintaining our stringent credit standards and discipline focus on quality.

Our personal loan borrowers weighted average income is $165,000 with a weighted average FICO score of 747. Our student loan borrowers weighted aver income is $170,000 with a weighted average FICO of 773. This focus on quality has led to continued strong credit performance. In fact, our on balance sheet delinquency rates and charge off rates remain healthy and are still below pre covid levels.

Our on balance sheet 90 day personal loan delinquency rate was 34 basis points in Q4 22, while our annualized personal loan charge off rate was 2.4699999999999998%. Our on balance sheet 90 day student loan delinquency rate was 13 basis points in Q4 2022. While our annualized student loan charge off rate was 0.37%, as we’ve expressed in the past, it is reasonable to expect credit metrics to revert over time to more normalized pre pandemic levels, but we continue to expect very healthy performance relative to broader industry benchmarks.

The lending business delivered 209 million of contribution profit at a 66% margin up from 105 million a year ago and a 51% margin. This improvement was driven by a mix shift to higher margin personal loans revenue. Along with marketing and ops efficiencies, as well as fixed cost leverage across the entire segment.

For the full year lending adjusted net revenue grew 45% to 1.11 billion, and the segment delivered 664 million of contribution profit at a 60% margin. Shifting to our tech platform where we delivered net revenue of 86 million in the quarter, up 61% year over year, or up 13%, excluding tesis overall annual revenue growth was driven by 31% year over year.

Galileo account growth to 131 million in total, as well as sequential growth in transactions per active account. We also signed 11 new clients, four of which are in the B2B space, and three of which are in Mexico. Further diversifying our partner base. During the quarter, one of our clients migrated the majority of their processing volumes to a pure processor, which resulted in a six to 7 million revenue headwind in period.

Segment contribution profit of 17 million represented a 20% margin and 24% if you were to exclude tesis for the full year. The tech platform segment grew revenue 62% to 315 million and delivered 76 million of contribution profit at a 24% margin. Excluding Tesis revenue growth was 24% year over year, and contribution margin was 30%.

Moving on to financial services where net revenue of 65 million increased 195% year over year with new all-time high revenue for SoFi money and continued strong contributions from SoFi credit card, SoFi Invest and lending as a service. Overall, monetization continues to improve with annualized revenue per product, increasing to $40, nearly two times the $21 in the same prior year, quarter, and up 25% sequentially from $34.

We reached 6.6 million financial services products up 60% year over year by adding 635,000 new products in the quarter. We now have 2.2 million products in SoFi money, 2.2 million in SoFi Invest, and 1.9 million in relay. Contribution losses were 44 million for the quarter, which improved sequentially as a result of the growth in revenue as well as fixed cost leverage, but increased year over year predominantly as a result of building our Cecil reserves for the SoFi credit card business, which is expected as we continue to grow and scale.

In addition, we saw year over year reduction in higher margin digital assets revenue for the full year. The segment delivered 168 million of revenue, which is nearly three times the 58 million we delivered in 2021, and our contribution losses were 199 million. Notably, that’s a 21% improvement in contribution loss per average product during 2022 versus 2021.

Switching to our balance sheet where we remain very well capitalized with ample cash, excess liquidity, and strong regulatory capital and leverage ratios. This year’s opening of SoFi Bank further reinforces our strength and provides more flexibility and access to a lower cost of capital relative to alternative sources of funding.

In q4, assets grew by 3.2 billion. As a result of the strong growth we continue to see in personal loan originations. On the liability side, we saw tremendous growth in deposits to 7.3 billion, up 2.3 billion quarter over quarter. Because of this, we exited the quarter with 3.1 billion drawn on our $8.4 billion of warehouse facilities, which represents 36% of our total available capacity.

Our current book value is 5.5 billion, and our tangible book value has grown for two consecutive quarters with more than a 50 million increase sequentially in q4. Let me finish up with guidance before going through the specific numbers. I want to hit on some of the larger macro assumptions that underpin our financial guide.

From an interest rate perspective, we are assuming an outlook consistent with the consensus forward curve with a peak fed funds rate reaching approximately 5% in Q2 2023 with two rate cuts in the back half of the year to get us to a four and a half percent exit rate. In 2023, we are assuming a two and a half percent contraction in GDP and a normalization of unemployment to around 5%.

And from a credit perspective, we are expecting a continuation of elevated credit spreads across capital markets and a continued normalization of consumer credit. For q1, we expect to deliver adjusted net revenue of 430 to 440 million in adjusted EBITDA of 40 to 45 million for the full year of 2023. We expect to deliver adjusted net revenue of 1.925 to 2.0 billion.

Representing 25 to 30% growth and adjusted EBITDA of 260 to 280 million. Our outlook represents 30% incremental EBITDA margins for full year 2023 versus full year of 2022, and we expect to reach quarterly gap net income profitability by Q4 2023 with gap net income, incremental margins for the full year of 20%.

Finally, quickly hitting on a few key points for each segment in our lending segment. We expect the Department of Education’s moratorium on federal student loan payments to extend through June 30th, 2023, at which point there are 60 days before repayments actually begin accordingly, our outlook assumes that we will be operating at our current run rate levels until September after September.

We do believe there will be a recovery to higher levels of student loan refinancing revenue than the current trend, but we do not expect to return to pre covid levels in 2023. In our personal loans business, we expect to see modest growth as we balance taking advantage of ample headroom in this business.

Given our current market share and differentiated product with a thoughtful and prudent approach to ensuring our credit remains very high quality, we remain committed to underwriting to an industry leading life alone loss profile in our tech platform segment. One area focus for us in 2023 is on quality of new clients, including size, durability, and time to market over quantity, which means bigger wins that leverage the combined go-to-market value proposition of the tech platform while still investing in focus new product areas to drive diversification.

While we expect low double digit organic revenue growth in 2023, do this focus and a variety of other factors, our longer term strategy is already starting to pay off with greater diversification in our pipeline and significant margin expansion expected in 2023. After a three year investment period in the tech platform, including moving to the cloud, a two and a half X increase in headcount, the acquisition of TEUs and launching new product capabilities, we will increasingly focus on leveraging the value of our investments through the synergies between the two product lines, TEUs and Galileo, as well as through joint product offerings, all the drive meaningful contribution profit growth relative to revenue growth.

In starting to operate as one unified technology platform, we have recognized opportunities to reduce our costs, including a small reduction in headcount in financial services. We expect continued strong growth in revenue driven by growth in products, as well as increased monetization per product as we scale deposits spend in aum.

Importantly, we will front load investments in the year to take advantage of attractive opportunities to continue to scale our high quality deposit base. In summary, we could not be more proud of the results. SoFi delivered in 2022. We exceeded one and a half billion dollars in annual revenue and grew adjusted EBITDA nearly five times to more than 140 million.

We continue to be extremely well capitalized and are excited about the opportunities in front of us. We look forward to another strong year in 2023. And with that, let’s open it up to questions.

Thank you. Analysts will be allowed. Ask one question each, please re-enter the question queue for a second question. As a reminder, if you’d like to ask a question, please press start followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, you may press start two. Please ensure you are muted locally when asking your question.

So our first question comes from the line of Michael Ink of Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning. Thank you very much for the question. Um, I appreciate all the color around 2023. I was just wondering if you could go into a little bit more detail, uh, around the origination assumptions.

Um, you know, give some, give till around student loan and personal loans. Could you do that for, for homeowners as well? Thank you very much. Sure. So I can, I can hit that one. Nancy can chime in. So in terms of our overall outlook on originations, going back to what I said in my prepared remarks, we are assuming, um, modest growth in our personal loans business.

We do see there being ample headroom for, for continued growth, given where our market share is today. Currently we’re at about a 6% market share in our credit box. That’s up from about four and a half percent a year ago. So significant headroom, uh, ahead of us, but we are gonna take a prudent approach, uh, to this and continue to monitor, monitor credit, um, and, and make changes necessary in student loan refinancing.

We’re assuming that, uh, originations are at the current runway levels at least, uh, through the end of August of 2023. Um, and we do expect a bit of an uptick once the moratorium ends, uh, in, in June, followed by a 60 day extension. And then in home loan originations, we expect to continue at the current pace, um, that we’re at right now with, um, you know, a potential uptick in the back half of the year as we resolve, uh, all of our fulfillment issues.

Our next question comes from the line of Dominic Gabrielle, of Open Hyman. Please go ahead. Hey guys. Uh, great results. Um, so I just wanted to talk about the, uh, deposit growth. I mean, it’s really been Anthony, it’s been really, you know, astounding how, how much deposit growth you, you’ve gotten over the last year.

And I’m just curious about how you think about. , you know, an environment where you may need less deposits, um, and how you would go about perhaps trimming that growth rate in that environment. Like let’s say originations are down. Is it rate or is it, you know, something else? Any color you can provide on that outlook will be excellent.

Thank you so much. Good. Thank you. And thank you Dominic. Um, we’re really pleased and proud of what we’ve been able to achieve on the deposit side, getting to seven, over 7 billion of deposits starting at less than a billion at the beginning of the year. Um, and that trend really reflects the strategy that we’ve employed behind the bank to offer a very high interest rate on checking of over 2% and a high interest rate on savings at 3.75%, no fees and complete functionality on your phone to be able to pay bills, to be able to send money to your friends, um, to be able to look at all of your transactions, to be able to really function all of your money.

Movement rate, rate from our app. The combination of that plus the, you know, focus we’ve had on driving high quality direct deposits has driven that deposit number. Um, what I’d say is we’re nowhere close to the point in our total deposits that we would have trouble deploying them. Um, the Lumin Hunter, our growth is, is really driven by how much resources that we have to go after it.

Um, once people become aware of our product, the adoption, uh, is pretty strong behind that. And so the deposits that we have today could be deployed, um, the way we have the last several quarters. One, to fund our own loans, uh, two, to be opportunistic on opportunities related to our loans that are in the marketplace.

Um, there are several businesses we’re not in today that would leverage deposits including small, medium business loans. Um, and being in that entire sector would, uh, would require deposits as well. Um, and we can leverage, obviously, growing deposits from small medium businesses also. So if we get to the point that our deposits are significantly higher than they are today, we can deploy ’em in many, many other ways, uh, to drive a great return, uh, for the, for the company.

Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Barker of sna. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Um, I, your balance sheet’s grown tremendously over the last year and partly due to the deposit growth. Um, could you talk about, you know, there were differences between a health or investment versus a health or sales strategy on, you know, in particular we’ve seen several companies start to come back to the mark the securitization market in the, in the first quarter with spreads tightening relative to late 22 numbers.

I’m just trying to see, you know, how you balance, you know, driving net interest income versus potentially some fee or gain all tail income and how you think about that for the rest of the year. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for the question. Um, you know, we noted in the press release and prepared remarks that we hit a couple of key inflection points in the year.

One of the biggest inflection points is that our nim, our lending net interest margin revenue, is now greater than our non-interest, uh, revenue. Um, and that’s a pretty big milestone. It reflects a lot of initiatives over the last five years, one of which was getting the bank license and being able. Use the deposit, the funder loans and not have to recycle that cash through quick sales, et cetera.

So we have the luxury of being able to look in the marketplace, look at our balance sheet, and make the best decisions for long-term returns. Um, and as we’ve done that, we’ve been able to hold loans longer and generate that revenue stream that’s more recurring. From that interest margin, you should expect the NIM to continue to grow, um, both in absolute dollars and as a percentage of total, um, total revenue in the lending sector.

The second big accomplishment was that for the, you know, full year, um, we were able to, sorry, in the fourth quarter, were you able to get the NIM revenue, uh, greater than the directly attributable fixed cost of the lending business. Meaning the non-interest income lending revenue wasn’t needed to get to profitability at the contribution basis in, in q4, which is another big, big milestone.

Um, but you should expect that to continue to grow. It is a, um, revenue stream that’s more visible and more consistent. Um, then, uh, gain on sale, non-interest income, uh, but we have the luxury of making the best choices based on the marketplace. I’ll let Chris talk about the specifics in terms of securitizations, uh, versus whole sales versus holding.

Yeah. In, in terms of the AVS market, you know, we’re seeing the exact same trends that you highlighted in, in your question. Back in November, we actually did a $600 million term securitization deal at an attractive cost relative to where we expect warehouse, um, cost of funding to be in 2023. And things have continued to improve in the overall market, you know, in the first month of this year.

So we expect to be able to access that market here in Q1 and, um, for the rest of the year.

Uh, next question comes from the line of Mahi or book of credit. Swiss, your line is now open. Please go ahead. So maybe, uh, maybe as a follow up to that, um, , can you talk about what you were, you know, what you actually sold during the quarter and personal and um, and did you actually buy any portfolio portfolios during the period as well?

Yes, I, I can hit on that. So in terms of sales for the quarter, um, we ended up relying predominantly on deposit funding, warehouse funding, and that term securitization. We did about 200 million worth of whole loan sales and a 600 million term securitization. So about $800 million in total in terms of loan purchases.

Um, like I said, during the last quarter, having the bank with a large and and growing deposit base provides us with much more flexibility and a new source of funding our loans, which allows us to grow the balance sheet and hold loans for a longer period of time. There are a few ways that we can bring loans onto the balance sheet.

We can go out and pay a upfront marketing cost and originate them. or we can purchase the, the loans. So it’s similar to q3. We had the opportunity to buy some seasoned loans. Uh, this time they were from, uh, they were in the student loan recon, refinancing space. And these were all loans that we originally underwrote.

Overall size was about half of what we did in q3. And given the credit quality loss profile and return characteristics, um, we, we jumped on the opportunity as we knew the borrower best. Then it’s will set us up for really strong net interest income in the coming quarters, given our overall cost of funding.

Um, and then we also had a few hundred million of normal course cleanup calls on some of our consolidated securitizations, um, that were several used season.

Our next question comes from the line of Eugene Simmons, your li uh, of towers. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Sorry. I said Eugene Simony from Market Nathanson. Uh, hi guys, how are you? Um, Quick question from me back to the, uh, outlook for 2023. Very helpful, um, to have the call, Chris. Uh, but, uh, I was wondering on the swing factors, let’s say the factors that would allow you to go to the, uh, you know, high end of your RA guide, what would be the top two or three things that you guys are looking for, you know, that could swing the results here in 2023?

Hey there, Eugene. Thank you for the question. Um, you know, there’s a co Chris laid out in our prepared remarks, some of the underlying, uh, assumptions, both macro and micro. On the macro side, you know, GDP growth, that’s not as, um, as dower as we have in our, our forecast and our implications. So a stronger economy than what we have.

And we have a, we think a, a, you know, relatively conservative i e low number for gdp, uh, is a decline of about 2.5. Unemployment, we had a 5%. That’s a factor. If it comes in, um, you know, worse than that, uh, that could be a, a negative a tell. One would be if it, it sells in the fours. And then on interest rates, you know, we have them peaking at 5% and then coming back down to about four and a half percent.

Um, if rates came back even more than four point a half percent and settled in the, in the 4%. I think we could be at an optimal part of the curve as it relates to passing on coupons, profitability, promo, uh, as well as what the nim that we can make for relatives or our deposits would be a pretty, pretty good outcome.

Um, separate from that to the technology platform sector, we have a really robust pipeline. It’s more diverse, but more importantly, there are many members, or sorry, clients in our pipeline, uh, that have large existing, uh, consumer bases or user bases. Um, and to the extent that those become, uh, you know, launched in 2023 before the second half of the year, we can benefit from upside in those large partners coming on, on board from the tech sector as it relates to the financial services sector, you know, I really believe we have a lot of upside in the invest category.

Um, we are quickly, um, launching new products to make sure that we have, um, some table stakes products, but also some more innovative differentiation on selection. Um, and I think that if we’re able to launch those to a receptive, uh, member base and new user base, it could be a tailwind. Second thing that could be a tailwind to invest is if the IPO market opens back up, um, we can underwrite IPOs.

We’re the sole retail, uh, distribution channel for the rivian ipo. We’ve participated in the new bank ipo. Our members want access to IPOs at IPO prices. Um, we’re uniquely providing Main Street with access to IPO prices that those I, uh, IPOs at IPO price. To the extent the calendar opens back up, we have a pipeline there as well, uh, which helps both with adoption of, of the product by new users, uh, cause they want that unique selection, but it also drives incremental, um, assets under management, which, uh, uh, allows us to drive, drive more revenue, monetize more.

Um, so those are some of the, uh, underlying trends that could give us a, a tailwind when we pass over to Chris in case I did. Yeah, the only other thing I would add, um, to that Anthony, is, is back to one of the comments that I made a few minutes ago around credit spreads. So implied in our guidance and what I mentioned is that we’re expecting to see continued elevated credit spreads throughout the year.

Obviously things are, are looking pretty good in, in January and spreads have tightened and the a b s market seems to be showing some signs of life. So if, if that continues throughout the year, there could be additional upside in, in the lending business as well.

Our next question comes from the line of of Bank of America. Merrill, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Oh, good morning. And, uh, thank you for taking my questions. Um, I just wanted to ask about, uh, the tech technology platform segment. Sounds like a little bit of, maybe not change, but refinement in the strategy as you go after, you know, you’re focusing on quality of clients and bigger clients with existing basis.

What are some of the implications of that strategy? And I was also curious in terms of just new product introductions or cross sell existing, uh, clients in that segment. Like as we think about, you know, your growth from here, how much of it is gonna come from, you know, cross sell, cost, buy if you will, in that segment versus some winning some of these new large partners.

Thank you. And thank you for the question, and I, I think you characterize it appropriate in that it’s a refinement of the strategy. Um, now that we’re operating on one unified platform with both TEUs and Galileo, uh, we can leverage the combined go to market, and that does drive some synergy cost savings, um, which is why Chris mentioned, you know, small headcount reduction, but there are also cost savings in different areas, uh, like marketing when you have that unified, unified approach, um, especially in the, in the United States.

In addition to that, we’ve made really significant investments in the tech platform over the last three years. We’ve increased headcount by two and a half x, we’ve moved to the cloud while maintaining, um, on-prem capabilities. The on-prem will now go away. This. . Um, we’ve also done a great job at adding new partners.

Um, we’ve been adding, you know, 20 plus partners a year. Um, as we look at the macroeconomic environment and where we sit, we think the right strategy for the year is to focus on durable companies with large installed bases, um, or well capitalized companies that we know, uh, can make the transition and that we’ll get a great return to leverage, leverage our platform capabilities.

Um, and so that’s how we’re approaching year. You know, for the first time we’re gonna have meaningful margin expansion tech platform to start to leverage that investment we made. But we’re still investing, we’re still growing. And let me give you an example of some of the areas that we’ve invested in that we expect to bear fruit this year and I’ll keep investing in.

Um, first and foremost, we want to diversify our products just out of a, a debit or interchange, ACH type of product. Um, expanded in the B2B category. We have a number of new B2B partners that are generating revenue today. Some are doing small medium business lending. Some are simply using it for payments and um, for accounts receivable and accounts, uh, payable.

Um, but there’s a good pipeline of other partners that have large fleets, um, as well as, you know, gig economy companies, et cetera. In addition to building out the B2B channel, we’ve also tried to add more products for consumer facing, uh, clients. And so one of the products that we have that’s been adopted as Secure Card, another product that we’ve launched more recently, um, is a fraud protection.

As you think about fraud and you think about the scale of some of the partners of Galileo, they may not have the scale to invest in fraud the way that we can. Uh, and they may not have the data that we have to actually drive those models. Um, and so we’ve rolled out one piece of a fraud platform that we want to make available to all of our partners.

If we can help them eliminate fraud, it not only saves losses. But it actually makes their service more reliable, reduces the overhead they have in call centers. And it also allows them to hit better SLAs in servicing, um, their customers when they do have issues that have to be solved. So it’s, it’s a classic, make your footprint bigger than your f type of product.

Um, in addition to that, we’re focused on things that will help them drive engagement. So we’ve launched a direct deposit switching product, um, and you’ll see us continue to do more there, drive, uh, more engagement. Things like instant funding are another vehicle that makes the movement of money faster and better, uh, for our partners.

Um, and then last, we just launched our first product on both, uh, Gale on TEUs and SoFi, which is paying for that product is now available for any of our partner. And if you think about the partners at Galileo, many of them are not playing the same segment that we are. We’re at a very high end customer with high cycle score and high income most of the scale.

And Galileo’s partners is actually at the unbanked or underbanked. Um, a paying for product is much better for them than a secure card or unsecured loan or a credit card. Uh, and that product can be launched in a turnkey fashion with a much higher interchange with about 3% compared to what they’re generating at 1% in, in debit.

Uh, it does bring with it some risk, and so we’ll have to wade, uh, cautiously into that market with our partners. But it’s another example of the innovation that we’ve drove that we now think we can get a return on the revenue again. And the last thing I’ll touch on is connective. It’s not something we’ve talked about in the call before, but we think it’s a, a diamond in the rough, so to speak.

It’s an AI driven, um, customer service model that uses both voice and text. Um, and that product is one that SoFi has now adopted. Um, and that’s after SoFi did a complete RFP of all the different choices and determined, connected to be the best choice, uh, for our company. Um, and we’ll continue to invest in that product.

It’s available to our partners as well. Um, and the last thing, what I’d say about our strategy related to the technology platform, uh, is that the opportunity to expand geo geographically is bigger than you could imagine. We have to really pace our level of investment. And while we’re not expanding geographically today, there’s a lot of penetration within the LID end market, which is our area of focus, especially with tech system more than 12 markets helping cross sell Galileo’s products.

Our next question comes from the line of Dan Bey of your line is, are open. Please go ahead. Hey guys, uh, great results. Uh, thanks for, uh, squeezing me. Um, can you maybe give us some, you know, quarterly trends on sort of particularly the three metrics, um, you know, uh, student loans, uh, personal loans and mortgages, just kind of how things are trending through, say the end of January.

Thank you.

Yeah, so thanks Dan for the question. So, uh, we, we aren’t providing, um, specific views on how things are trending right now, but what I would say is on the student loan front through January, as, as mentioned in our guide, uh, we expect it, you know, to be at the existing run rate levels that we saw in Q3 and Q4 in personal loans.

Um, you know, things are, things are progressing as one would expect. There’s, there’s a lot of headroom in that business, but we’re being mindful with respect to, to credit. Um, and then on the home loan side, we, we have made some really good progress over the course of the last two to three months in terms of some of those fulfillment issues that we’ve talked about previously.

um, and, and things are trending in the right direction. Anthony, I know if it’s anything you’d add there. Yeah. The, the only other thing I’d add, Dan, is I did say in my prepared remarks that we’re seeing the strong trend in member and product growth continuing to q1. Um, we’ve, you know, throughout the year are constantly iterating on marketing channels, on marketing messages, on, on, on lifecycle marketing and, and leveraging the most efficient channels.

And I feel like in the fourth quarter we, you know, it was a culmination of a lot of work over the last two years. Um, and we saw the benefit of that. And as we started the new year, uh, you know, we, we continue to see that. So we feel really great about not just the growth rate in members as well as products, but the quality of those members.

Um, and product adoption in addition to the cost of cost of acquisi.

Our next question comes from a line of ash. Our Citigroup, your line is now open. Please go ahead. Uh, thank you. Uh, congratulations on the, uh, on the results, um, questions on, on the process of transfer to new fulfillment partners. Um, and you just mentioned, uh, the last two, three months have been good, Chris, but what should investors expect in terms of timeline, financial impact?

It’s been a few quarters, this has come up, and what’s the main factors that seem to be, and I guess, affecting a more timely transition? Yeah, and just to give you a little bit of history here, we had a partner, um, that was helping us drive great success, um, on the backend fulfillment side of the equation.

We do. We do the marketing to drive the demand. At the top of the funnel, we do the underwriting for the loans, and after that loan is locked, we partner with, um, we partner with a fulfillment partner to get through all the, all the steps. After that, that partner, unfortunately got acquired. Um, we were then required to make a technology platform switched with the new acquired company, uh, which was costly and, and time consuming.

Um, and ultimately the economics that, uh, that entity was seeing, uh, became quite onerous as, as rates increased. Um, and we realized that the economic, uh, relationship that we had was changing. We needed another partner. We started pursuing other partners. Quite frankly, well before that acquisition happened, just needing diversification.

And so we, we fast tracked the second partner that we needed to transition to. Um, that transition didn’t happen as quickly as we would hoped. I will tell you in the last two months, we’ve seen more progress there than we have in the last 18 months, and I’m encouraged by the progress the team has made, both in terms of.

Um, the technology integration, the process flow, um, the ability to hit, you know, time to funding metrics and, and serve our members better. We know we’re near perfect, but we’re, we’re starting to move in the right direction for the first time in a while. Um, in terms of the economic impact on the overall business, Chris was pretty clear in saying that it’ll ramp throughout the year.

I was thinking about it as more a second half of the year than a first half of the. Um, but the team is executing in a way that I think positions us really strongly to start stepping on the gas a little bit more as it relates to demand. We’ve had our foot off the gas, quite frankly, cause we don’t want to generate demand that we can’t fulfill in a high quality way.

And we’re starting to get to the point, you know, I think we’ll be there by the second half of the year. We can step on the gas and, and start to see a much bigger market share gain there. We have such small market share, even with higher interest rates. I think there’s a huge opportunity for us to drive, um, drive, um, revenue there as well as that revenue being, um, profitable.

Um, in addition to that, we do at some point similar to the rest of our businesses, wanna own end to end. You know, we own lending from metal to glass, so to speak. And it gives us such advantages on iterating, on testing, on pricing, on credit, on user flow, um, on fraud, on risk. And, um, we see the same thing now in SoFi money owning, um, Galileo and, uh, having the benefit of of TEUs as well.

And so at some point in home volumes, we we’ll own the back end also. Um, we’ll always partner. It’s, it’s great to have two sources of capacity, especially given our aspirations and how big we think this could be. It is a huge financial transaction for our members. It is emotional transaction and we need to be able to scale it and meet the needs of all of our members, and that’s where we’re focused on long-term.

Our next question comes from the line of John Hetch off Jeffries, your line is open. Please go ahead. Hey guys, taking congratulations on this.

The next thing that is, I’m just wondering,

Hey, John, it was really hard to hear your question. I don’t, I don’t want to guess what your question was. I maybe you could, um, dial back in, uh, with a better connection. I, I don’t, I heard something about B2B and that it was pretty, uh, muted after that. Is this better? Sorry guys. Is this better? Yeah. Perfect.

Thank you.

I’m sorry. Can you hear me now? Yes, yes, we can hear you. Okay. I apologize guys. My headphones are bad. Uh, but the question was just, Anthony, you mentioned B2B activity. You guys clearly still have very positive momentum with new members and, and you know, new customers. I’m wondering, you know, has, uh, you know, given your channels of, of customer acquisition, the cost of CU customer acquisition, has there anything changed from a characteristic perspective and, and how do you look at opportunities from that regard in 2023?

Yeah. So the SMB opportunity I, I think is really a, uh, opportunity that’s aligned with the type of, of member that we’re acquiring in our core target. Um, we don’t have plans in 2023 to enter that market. Um, we do believe it’s an opportunity for us over the longer term to serve that market well. If you follow, you know, us on any social media, it’s a constant, um, you know, constant request that we get from people to launch small, medium business checking and savings, small medium business lending.

Um, when the pandemic first started back in 2020, uh, March time period, we were inundated with tons of small, medium businesses coming onto SoFi and trying to apply for PPP loans. Um, we clearly don’t have small, medium, uh, lending now that we have a banking license that is an area that we could go into, but we didn’t at that point in time, we stood up a website that allowed us to, um, take the traffic that came to SoFi and leveraged Lantern to send the traffic to a marketplace of small, medium, uh, business lenders.

And it was very, um, people were very happy with it. The. as a result of that, led us to realize that many of our members are operating small, medium businesses and that we could serve them on the commercial side as well. Um, it, but as I mentioned, it’s not something that we do in 2023. Um, I would never say, you know, that would stay the same or review it every quarter if the student loan market came back sooner than expected and some of the other things went our way in the economy and so forth, it may be something that we could focus on in the second half of the year, but right now it’s not on the funding list, but it’s a huge opportunity for us.

The only reason I mentioned it earlier was, um, we’d asked, been asked the question earlier about the deposits and what happened if they grow too big and that would be a great problem to have if, if they grow and ask us of what, where we’re, are willing to originate on the personal loan side and SLR side and home loan side and credit cards.

We would offer more lending products to make sure we’re capturing, um, that great resource of deposits to deploy against high returning assets.

Uh, last question today comes from the line of Michael Rito of Stifle. Your line is not opened. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Um, obviously you guys have hit on a lot already this morning. I thought maybe I just asked Chris, just can you maybe give us some, a reminder, some context around how you guys are thinking of, of capital of the bank in your 2023 projections.

Obviously very healthy still today, but imagine, you know, in in the guide there’s, there’s a bit of balance sheet growth baked in as you guys done in 2022. And just curious where you kind of have the capital ratios levering to and how that compares to kind of where you wanna run the bank. Normalized, uh, going forward.

Yeah, thanks Mike for the question. So we are, I’m not gonna be providing guidance on the balance sheet size within the bank, but I’ll at least provide a little bit of insight in how we’re thinking about it. So right now we’ve capitalized the bank with about a billion, billion dollars of capital. You’ll see that in the bank call report that comes out later today.

We’re currently operating at about a 15% leverage ratio, which is still, um, significantly above our regulatory limits. So we do expect, um, to see additional, additional balance sheet growth as we continue to scale our lending business. We expect modest growth in our personal loans business, and then relatively muted in the student loan refinancing, um, and some growth in in the home.

Um, the only other thing I would add in terms of being able to grow the bank balance sheet is that we are sufficiently capitalized at the parent as well. We’re, you know, coming off of a year in 2021 of raising over three and a half billion dollars of capital and we’ve only deployed a billion dollars of that to the bank.

So we have sufficient excess, uh, liquidity that we could, uh, capitalize the bank and, and grow it further if, if, if we wanted to. And the other thing I would add onto that is, is something we were talking about as a team yesterday, that doesn’t get a lot of attention. Um, but when you look at the asset side of our balance sheet, you look at the trend and you look at our cash and cash equivalence.

You know, we finished the year at 1.4 billion of cash and cash equivalence. What’s not in that number is four 24 million of restricted cash. Uh, and then there’s some, uh, investment securities, which is a combination of. Uh, treasuries and government securities as well as, um, uh, you know, loans or resides of about 400 million.

The trend in that line has been continuing to increase, which is, speaks not only to the liquidity that we have, um, but the equity that we have that we can deploy either against funding, loans or, uh, funding. The funding the bank. Um, and it’s one of the important measures that will continue to give you a, you know, somewhat of a, a level of confidence on being able to fund the bank, uh, to grow more.

If, if we need to put more equity there.

Great. Thank you, um, for dialing in today. I wanted to end with a couple of comments. Um, February marks my five year anniversary at SoFi, and it’s just very humbling what we’ve achieved during such an unprecedented time period growing from less than 500 million in revenue to 1.5 billion at the end of 2022, 600,000 members, uh, to 5.2 million members and negative adjusted EBITDA to 140 million of EBITDA plus raising 3.6 billion in capital.

Becoming a public company and receiving a federal bank license to have done all of that through two interest rate cycles, a recession with a potential for another, a global pandemic inflation, inflation at a 40 year high and in an incredibly competitive environment with significant access to near zero cost of capital is a remarkable, uh, five year run.

None of this, though, happens without the full faith of our board and our shareholders, the persistent and unrelenting resolver our people, and a team that has done nothing short of extraordinary many can probate about what lies ahead for the economy interest rates. But in my view, uh, the political background, the regulatory background remain very uncertain and those endogenous factors are out of our.

As it relates to what lies ahead, I will simply state my strongest belief that SoFi continues to be the best positioned company, to be the winner that takes most in the digital financial services sector of the future. Reaching that outcome is what we control and what we remain steadfastly focused on to achieve.

With that, thank you for calling in and listening to our fourth quarter results, as well as our 2022 full year results. We’ll talk to you next quarter. Thank you. Goodbye ladies. Ladies and gentlemen. That concludes today’s call. Have a day ahead. You may now disconnect your.

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